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formerly jamesf  Registered Member #564 Joined: Sat May 31 2008, 06:16PMLocation: Edinburgh Posts: 48 | no dubbers please lol, euro look is my no 1 car hate R50 Cooper Red/White m7 STB m7 CAI m7 sport springs carbotech stoppers epic cooper coming soon, (cooper S shot block, Thumper Head, rotex supercharger, AST coilovers re-valved for swift springs, TSW BBK, safety devices half cage, recaro race seats, etc) | ||
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Old Skool Registered Member #187 Joined: Fri May 12 2006, 11:00PMPosts: 216 | How does lowering a car on springs make it less likley to tourque steer? Image: http://
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 Registered Member #623 Joined: Mon Sep 08 2008, 06:19PMLocation: bournemouth Posts: 81 | how to not torque steer in 1 step: Step 1: learn to feather! my mazda was making 400WHP on the front wheels, and i would never get any! Image: http:// img.photobucket.com/ albums/v217/ hatallas/Euro2.jpg 08 chili red cooper / 08 mazdaspeed 3 / 06 mazda 3 ( fully built 400WHP) / 97 GTI VR6 ( full neuspeed) | ||
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| formerly jamesf Registered Member #564 Joined: Sat May 31 2008, 06:16PMLocation: Edinburgh Posts: 48 | step 2: rid ones self of run craps, invest in some LSD and driving lessons are a good 3rd part of the issues is the traction control on the minis is tuned so badly lucky my car doesnt have any and will continue not to when im done putting a lot of power through it [ Edited Tue Nov 25 2008, 10:59PM ] R50 Cooper Red/White m7 STB m7 CAI m7 sport springs carbotech stoppers epic cooper coming soon, (cooper S shot block, Thumper Head, rotex supercharger, AST coilovers re-valved for swift springs, TSW BBK, safety devices half cage, recaro race seats, etc) | ||
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Is my MINI the only one without a name?  Registered Member #267 Joined: Sat Sep 23 2006, 11:00PMLocation: Bournemouth Posts: 912 | A big 'WHATEVER' to all that stuff. All know is my car looks better, feels better. It's not a track car and never will be. If the springs are rubbish then i will just buy new ones or put the old ones back on, its hardly the biggest cost in the world. Its certainly not a tragedy. I might understand the controversy if i had posted up a new thread saying how wonderful my new modifications were. I purposely didn't post up about it to avoid the 'wise and wonderful' commentary. It was mentionned by someone else so in the hope of being polite and maybe slightly useful i posted my top line opinion without picking to bits the technicalities. Anyone else ever wish they had never posted?? or possibly never even joined a mini club????  [ Edited Wed Nov 26 2008, 10:03AM ] Image: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/cu.kev/sig-1.jpg | ||
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and my flaming MINI  Registered Member #7 Joined: Mon Oct 03 2005, 11:00PMLocation: Bournemouth Posts: 814 | Lorimor_Black wrote ... How does lowering a car on springs make it less likley to tourque steer? Well if you lower it and make it stiffer, you will get less weight transfer to the rear, resulting in more grip to the front and so less likly to pull around. Have to say since getting my Eibach Pro coilovers fitted from Hobzy's MINI and getting camber/toe in adjusted its changed the car alot. Car doesn't pull around anywhere near as much as it used to with changes in road surface. Acceleration feels more controlled and predictable as well.  But thats just my thoughts on it  | ||
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 Registered Member #414 Joined: Thu Jun 07 2007, 10:28AMLocation: B'mth Posts: 6 | What a load of old tosh this tread has turned into…… to be honest I think a few people have missed the boat here, James Calland has stated a budget of £200 which will not extend to most of the suggestions made, so springs are the only real option, and in that area you can have H&R, Eibach or JCW (as mentioned before) which are readily available within the UK. Lets be realistic here, the $ is rubbish so getting something from the States is going to cost a fair bit and is it really worth the hassle? Especially when 9/10 times customs add their bit and so do the cheeky couriers with the “handling/processing fee”, my arse! With regards to torque steer being down to driving incorrectly… Rubbish, torque steer from my understanding is caused by uneven road surfaces / conditions or incorrect geometry settings. If the roads were dead flat (as the mini has everything else sorted apparently!) then you wouldn’t get any as the force and point location of that force would be the same on each drive wheel. I understand that accelerating hard can exaggerate this, but you telling me that in a race situation you are going to think, ‘oh wait a second I need to accelerate smoothly and slowly to reduce my torque steer’? It’s not going to happen – foot hard to floor and GO.................. cooper_sport – Totally agree with what you’ve put. JC if you’re still tuned in Eibach’s aren’t a bad choice and would be the route I’d go down with your spend limit. Good luck. | ||
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| formerly jamesf Registered Member #564 Joined: Sat May 31 2008, 06:16PMLocation: Edinburgh Posts: 48 | your pound v dollar argument does not stack up, i import on a large scale from the states and even after all relevant taxes have been applied most of my stock is the same price or cheaper than its uk rivals, most of the american mini parts are streets ahead of the uk parts and this is why both my self and lohen scouce from the usa. i have driven a number of minis with no LSD and traction control off, as you cant modulate the throttle in the same way you can on a cabled car, (yes in your scooby and clio its not FBY). you have to be much more careful with your inputs, as the FBY is hypersensative esp when dealing with the spooling nature of the twin scroll in the R56, the supercharger healped in part limit this on the R53 due to its liner delivery method. part of it is down to road surface and texture and geometry set up, but mashing the throttle on any slightly powerful FWD car with a flyby wire throttle and fby steering is not going to be neat you have to learn the throttle map and the way the traction control is tuned and adjust your driving around that but the other half is down to the design of the drive train of the car the set up of the DSC / ASC+T and locking % of the differential as well as tyre design and pressure and heat in the tyres as for what springs as i keep an eye on the tests i know how most of the springs for most of the setups for the mini fare under a spring dyno and this is why i promote swfit so throughly even though i dont sell them yet, and how H&R and Eibach performed was shocking along with how the springs from the BC sport and meagan coils bound as the spring rate and spring construction was not right for the mini[ Edited Wed Nov 26 2008, 05:06PM ] R50 Cooper Red/White m7 STB m7 CAI m7 sport springs carbotech stoppers epic cooper coming soon, (cooper S shot block, Thumper Head, rotex supercharger, AST coilovers re-valved for swift springs, TSW BBK, safety devices half cage, recaro race seats, etc) | ||
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| Old Skool Registered Member #187 Joined: Fri May 12 2006, 11:00PMPosts: 216 | cooper_sport wrote ... Lorimor_Black wrote ... How does lowering a car on springs make it less likley to tourque steer? Well if you lower it and make it stiffer, you will get less weight transfer to the rear, resulting in more grip to the front and so less likly to pull around. Thanks matey. That makes some sense in my head. I still think the big moan about torque steer in itself is total rubbish because I can't really see that there is any more or less in R53 compared to R56 JCW or otherwise... BMW would probably claim its part of the "character" of the car knowing them!! I myself am considering eibach but worry about the issue of them sagging. The americans have better stuff than we do and I think springs easily fit into a £200 budget... then again might it be better to save just that little bit longer, perhaps spend less money of flash things and buy some coilovers that will last rather than a set of springs that won't last that long at all really? [ Edited Wed Nov 26 2008, 05:42PM ] Image: http://
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Mini Turbo'd  Registered Member #140 Joined: Mon Mar 13 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Southampton Posts: 2481 | Nothing like things blowing out of proportion when people get defensive of products...... Cheap is cheap.... you get what you pay for. If you are lowering you need to decide the ride you want also as not all the MINI springs are the same spring rate. Eibachs do as James suggested sag a bit which is why I certainly wouldnt buy them second hand but then so do the stock ones a bit too. Torque steer sounds like its being confused with other problems and isnt at all to do with road surface. Yes it is made much worse by ruts and road surface/camber but is more about the engines twisting action and suspesion alignment changes. e.g. when you accelerate hard you suddenly end up with big tow out and when you brake tow in. If one wheel has more grip that the other than that wheel will move more and cause a steering change. If you remove all flex and compression in all the suspenion bushes and engine mounts then there wont be torque steer. Lets also remember that a lot of people confuse the LSD locking as torque steer as well. I dont find mine torque steers much but having a torque biasing diff does make the car pull on the side that has most grip but nothing like my old open different and stock bushes. Point and floor it now  [ Edited Wed Nov 26 2008, 06:02PM ] MINI Project 370hp and counting... : MINIProject.co.uk | ||
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