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Founder Member  Registered Member #23 Joined: Sun Jan 15 2006, 12:00AMLocation: On a Canal Somewhere  Posts: 3989 | Funding mainly  Our (plural) site costs us £42 pcm to keep it running smoothly. So now we are looking at options to keep it going financially... Don' t all dive off here 8O  and please participate in this survey The main cost is the server :roll: and more to the point the BW that we all gobble up :o Current rules require those with larger galleries to "donate": http://scnm.net/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=paypal So there are some options that are worth polling here >>>> 1. Those who want more gallery space than the basic amount allowed should continue to pay annually and this should be enforced (that's a given) Perhaps we should ask them to pay more? This should not be a super user or privilege membership. As we have seen on MINI2 and other sites the latter does not work and is unsustainable long term. 2. There should be an annual fee to be a member of the forums (fora?) on here? 3. Those attending runs and events should be invited to donate £1 per car per run/event on top of a small annual fee. 4. Those who cannot for any reason or don't intend ever to turn up to runs/events should also be charged £1 per event payable by Paypal. 5. In the event of non-payment membership should lapse and users' membership should be terminated. This is just dipping toe in water stuff at this stage What we really need to know is what think? So please vote in our poll - you may vote for more than one option - and refine your answers by posting up in here. If there is an option that you would like to be considered (that I have missed) please post up. There's no monopoly of good ideas in here. All comments welcomed but please note that posts criticising the management of our site will be deleted without warning or explanation Thanks for reading this; your vote in our poll in here and for your time. Max on behalf of the management  Support Our Heros http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ http://www.presentsformen.co.uk/product-PFM-Help-for-Heroes-Mug-6461/ http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article492159.ece http://www.artfund.org/queenandcountry/index.php http://www.santalash.co.uk/charity.html | ||
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| Founder Member Registered Member #23 Joined: Sun Jan 15 2006, 12:00AMLocation: On a Canal Somewhere Posts: 3989 | Hmm I had mistakenly thought that multi options were available on here clearly I was wrong. For the record I voted for all of them I'd delete the poll as it's worthless without multichoice but I can't so please just let us know what you think Support Our Heros http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ http://www.presentsformen.co.uk/product-PFM-Help-for-Heroes-Mug-6461/ http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article492159.ece http://www.artfund.org/queenandcountry/index.php http://www.santalash.co.uk/charity.html | ||
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| Ratty |
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  Registered Member #60 Joined: Mon Feb 06 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Back in Arron's head Posts: 857 | i'm all for a small membership fee and say a pound or two on a run. i don't think it would be fair to charge those who don't attend runs Image: http://www.scnm.net/ e107_plugins/ coppermine_menu/ albums/userpics/ normal_Untitled- 2~0.jpg | ||
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| DK |
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 Registered Member #22 Joined: Sun Jan 15 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Devizes Posts: 731 | I voted for charging more for extra space for photos and videos. I believe we should charge more for videos as these use up a lot of bandwidth. I believe we should continue with voluntary donation, via the site and via meetings and events. I believe we should charge people upfront for putting something up for sale, and then a small percentage of the final value as fee, similar to the insertion and final sale value fees on eBay. We have had peeps who signed up just to sell something on here, and bugger off never to be seen again, without paying a penny towards the site :x That's all I can think of so far DK Image: http:// www.appletheminicoop er.net/PicSigs/ PicSig26.JPG | ||
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Site's resident medical advisor  Registered Member #236 Joined: Sat Aug 12 2006, 11:00PMLocation: Poole Posts: 323 | Sounds fair | ||
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Miss Lottie, Miss GP, GP0235 who knows!! Registered Member #267 Joined: Sat Sep 23 2006, 11:00PMLocation: Bournemouth Posts: 938 | Sounds fair I agree with this, at least a membership fee includes everyone who uses the site. Taking Dora's point about people signing up and disappearing if the membership fee was paid in advance annually you would get genuine members signing up and there would be less need to chase fees retrospectively. In line with this if fees are not paid membership should be suspended until payment has been made? | ||
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| redwhitecooper |
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Being naughty ............. Registered Member #15 Joined: Sat Jan 14 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Somewhere in a Welsh Forest Posts: 1644 | OK here are my thoughts on it Firstly charging per run is probably unfair and may put people off attending runs, and also unenforcable. Payin g per gallery space or video space again, unfair as there are those like myself that host photo's from there own or 3rd party sites. A suggestion I brought up last year and the girlies have now proven, can work would be to have a limited FREE PUBLIC access to certain forums, such as maybe General Discussion and a couple of others to tempt people in (definately not the baner thread ) and then for those who wish to view the other threads and maybe include in this the Run Threads you have to sign up and donate a small yearly or monthly contribution. With the possibility of say a £1 a month or £10 for a full year It may mean some heavy Policing of the Public Forums to stop them being abused by all an sundry as they have free access :o This could also reduce those who feel that maybe their alter ego's should air their views on the forums, and could also serve as a deterent to those who step over the mark  by being banned for a period which will work as long as the Mod's don't become power crazy and remain moderate Support For Our Wounded www.helpforheroes.org.uk | ||
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 Registered Member #27 Joined: Mon Jan 16 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Watford, Herts. Posts: 1191 | I think a small annual membership fee would work, as would a small payment at a run. Extra gallery space should warrant extra payment too. Deffinately suspend membership for not contributing to the running of the site. I don't think paying for non attendance of runs would work. I don't think this site needs or wants a privileged membership. | ||
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| Registered Member #27 Joined: Mon Jan 16 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Watford, Herts. Posts: 1191 | Just out of interest, what do you get for Privileged Membership on mini2  . | ||
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| Max |
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| Founder Member Registered Member #23 Joined: Sun Jan 15 2006, 12:00AMLocation: On a Canal Somewhere Posts: 3989 | A £10 per annum fee; a Privilege Membership comment with yr avatar when you post, and a small discount when you purchase from companies that sponsor MIN2 or are signed up to the scheme... That's it really Support Our Heros http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ http://www.presentsformen.co.uk/product-PFM-Help-for-Heroes-Mug-6461/ http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article492159.ece http://www.artfund.org/queenandcountry/index.php http://www.santalash.co.uk/charity.html | ||
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| DK |
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| Registered Member #22 Joined: Sun Jan 15 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Devizes Posts: 731 | A £10 per annum fee; a Privilege Membership comment with yr avatar when you post, and a small discount when you purchase from companies that sponsor MIN2 or are signed up to the scheme... That's it really Isn't there something about a personal blog and bigger gallery etc.? As for those who do not donate regularly, please bear in mind there are sleepers on here that have helped SCNM in a big way Therefore, please check before suspending members!For the likes of Martin and I who do not use our gallery space, do we get a discount? DK Image: http:// www.appletheminicoop er.net/PicSigs/ PicSig26.JPG | ||
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| BlackFerret |
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SCNM's most influential fluffy animal   Registered Member #13 Joined: Sat Jan 14 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Look up, i'll be the one hanging on a dispatch belt for dear life Posts: 3074 | i think charging for runs would be a good idea But maybe keep it to the larger runs with more cars, as we don't want to keep the run numbers low due to people being turn't away by "charging" (a word people fear) also... maybe a really shiny impressive donations pot that travels around the table at pub meets or similar???? So you can now enjoy the celebrated ale that still eludes the Ferrets of the Gribble Inn - Fursty Ferret | ||
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| BlueCoopS |
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  Registered Member #297 Joined: Fri Nov 17 2006, 12:00AMPosts: 26 | Right, let's look at the numbers - at today's prices we need £42pm - that's around £500 pa to keep the show up and running. And we currently have 325 members. I think a small annual membership is not unreasonable but it cannot be too high otherwise people will winge about what they get for their money and that could be detrimental to retaining high membership levels. At just £1 per annum we could raise £325. That really is'nt much to ask for. £10 has been suggested but work it out - that's £3,250 per year - probably deemed excessive and would need to be justified by introducing new SCNM features/benefits which make members feel the higher sub is justified. However, at £1 annual fee, we are still £175 short of the £500. So, the next question is how many cars participate on the runs per year? Surely, we get more than 175 cars throughout the whole year, so would £1 per run attended not be unreasonable. I cannot believe anyone could object to £1 - it's not even enough to pay the tax on a gallon of petrol to Mr Brown! Assuming we exceed 175 cars (not difficult surely?), then the excess £1's could be put towards a small fun prize on each run for the best turned out, or most outrageous, dirtiest, smiliest car on the run or maybe a prize for the driver doing most to promote SCNM in the most original or whackiest way! Just my twopennyworth | ||
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The SCNM Therapist is in... Registered Member #28 Joined: Mon Jan 16 2006, 12:00AMLocation: X'Church, Dorzet Posts: 1259 | OK here are my thoughts on it Firstly charging per run is probably unfair and may put people off attending runs, and also unenforcable. Payin g per gallery space or video space again, unfair as there are those like myself that host photo's from there own or 3rd party sites. A suggestion I brought up last year and the girlies have now proven, can work would be to have a limited FREE PUBLIC access to certain forums, such as maybe General Discussion and a couple of others to tempt people in (definately not the baner thread ) and then for those who wish to view the other threads and maybe include in this the Run Threads you have to sign up and donate a small yearly or monthly contribution. With the possibility of say a £1 a month or £10 for a full year It may mean some heavy Policing of the Public Forums to stop them being abused by all an sundry as they have free access :o This could also reduce those who feel that maybe their alter ego's should air their views on the forums, and could also serve as a deterent to those who step over the mark by being banned for a period which will work as long as the Mod's don't become power crazy and remain moderate Totally agree....well put I think charging for runs is problematic to inforce and we sometimes get people attending who are not in SCNM....what then can we charge them, or charge them more? It also means the organiser will need enough spare change and than be going around with a large sum of money on them for the rest of the day 8O ......not the most sensible in this day and age :x Annual fee of more that £1 but not excessive gets my vote.....as does certain access to 'paid up members'. Image: http:// www.scnm.co.uk/ e107_plugins/ coppermine_menu/ albums/userpics/ 6a5a_2.JPG Time for an OAP's car...or is it? | ||
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| Max |
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| Founder Member Registered Member #23 Joined: Sun Jan 15 2006, 12:00AMLocation: On a Canal Somewhere Posts: 3989 | Thank you for your comments so far - some good points made - and please keep them coming Support Our Heros http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ http://www.presentsformen.co.uk/product-PFM-Help-for-Heroes-Mug-6461/ http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article492159.ece http://www.artfund.org/queenandcountry/index.php http://www.santalash.co.uk/charity.html | ||
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| redwhitecooper |
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| Being naughty ............. Registered Member #15 Joined: Sat Jan 14 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Somewhere in a Welsh Forest Posts: 1644 | i think charging for runs would be a good idea But maybe keep it to the larger runs with more cars, as we don't want to keep the run numbers low due to people being turn't away by "charging" (a word people fear) also... maybe a really shiny impressive donations pot that travels around the table at pub meets or similar???? The trouble is you then penalise those who attend the runs However there are a lot more who are active on the site but have never even turned up to a single run Plus what do you do if someone refuse to pay You can hardly turn some one away from an event like Beaulieu or Poole Quay cos they won't pay, or even stop them from tagging on the end of a run 8O Unless ypu put a Tractor as a last car or get them to tow caravan (Now I know why Max wants a Traveller ) Support For Our Wounded www.helpforheroes.org.uk | ||
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| Registered Member #348 Joined: Sat Feb 03 2007, 12:00AMPosts: 28 | As a new member I would keep the charge for more gallery space and add a small annual fee - from the previous calculations £2 per year per person would be enough. I also agree it would be difficult trying to collect £1 coins on a run and it also penalises those who take a more active part in the community Having said that I am just working up enough bravado to sign up for my 1st run :oops: | ||
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P.C. Red Fox  Registered Member #18 Joined: Sat Jan 14 2006, 12:00AMPosts: 13838 | Come on the Top Gear run on Saturday! Be a good first run! Image: http://www.scnm.net/ e107_plugins/ coppermine_menu/ albums/userpics/ 48894%255B1%255D.jpg | ||
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| Soggy |
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 Registered Member #24 Joined: Mon Jan 16 2006, 12:00AMPosts: 684 | OK here are my thoughts on it Firstly charging per run is probably unfair and may put people off attending runs, and also unenforcable. Payin g per gallery space or video space again, unfair as there are those like myself that host photo's from there own or 3rd party sites. A suggestion I brought up last year and the girlies have now proven, can work would be to have a limited FREE PUBLIC access to certain forums, such as maybe General Discussion and a couple of others to tempt people in (definately not the baner thread ) and then for those who wish to view the other threads and maybe include in this the Run Threads you have to sign up and donate a small yearly or monthly contribution. With the possibility of say a £1 a month or £10 for a full year It may mean some heavy Policing of the Public Forums to stop them being abused by all an sundry as they have free access :o This could also reduce those who feel that maybe their alter ego's should air their views on the forums, and could also serve as a deterent to those who step over the mark by being banned for a period which will work as long as the Mod's don't become power crazy and remain moderate Totally agree....well put I think charging for runs is problematic to inforce and we sometimes get people attending who are not in SCNM....what then can we charge them, or charge them more? It also means the organiser will need enough spare change and than be going around with a large sum of money on them for the rest of the day 8O ......not the most sensible in this day and age :x Annual fee of more that £1 but not excessive gets my vote.....as does certain access to 'paid up members'. I'm not sure how attractive additional forums are for encouraging people to pay up? most people want to see what they are getting before spending their money. Hi, welcome to the site, it's great fun but you need to pay first is how it comes across to some, not all but some .... not sure that works too well. Agree charging to attends runs is a nightmare to control plus does that mean if someone registers on here to attend they pay but if they register to attend the same run on another site they dont? Some sites will not let you plug your run if you charge for it, unless it's a voluntary charity fund raising donation! And charging for not attending a run sounds like something thought up when very drunk :roll: :mrgreen: An annual fee of £1 will not raise enough, of the 375 registered how many actually visit or post on a regular basis? 50? 100? So you'd probably need to charge £10 pa to cover the £500. But £10 will discourage some unless they are getting some substantial benefits like on the privilege scheme Why not have a voluntary option as exists today but then have ( and i know I've mentioned it before as have others ) donators recognised as site sponsors , under their avatar or similar spot. It becomes a "badge of honour" that way, or dishonour if not !! And then all these new stickers, mark them up! People will pay more for a sticker if they know it is contributing and they actually get something in their hand for spening money ! To take it a step further why not have an annual sticker ....... SCNM Sponsor 2007 etc so folks want to buy one each year to get a full set ! Image: http:// www.mini2.com/ galleries/data/569/ banner1.gif | ||
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| Founder Member Registered Member #23 Joined: Sun Jan 15 2006, 12:00AMLocation: On a Canal Somewhere Posts: 3989 | As a new member I would keep the charge for more gallery space and add a small annual fee - from the previous calculations £2 per year per person would be enough. I also agree it would be difficult trying to collect £1 coins on a run and it also penalises those who take a more active part in the community Having said that I am just working up enough bravado to sign up for my 1st run :oops: Please don't be dissauded to sign up I'll desist from screwing a £1 out of you on the day Hope to see you there Support Our Heros http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ http://www.presentsformen.co.uk/product-PFM-Help-for-Heroes-Mug-6461/ http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article492159.ece http://www.artfund.org/queenandcountry/index.php http://www.santalash.co.uk/charity.html | ||
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