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and my flaming MINI   Registered Member #7 Joined: Mon Oct 03 2005, 11:00PMLocation: Bournemouth Posts: 814 | After driving to Peterborough and back my tyres are now scrubbed in.  First impressions are i have lots of grip again since my avons were very very worn. :oops: So far the car turns in very well and the back end follows through great. I think the toyo's might have little more grip but it is hard to tell since I've gone from little grip to lots over night. One thing I've notice, when cornering or parking the car the toyo's seem to make more noise. Think this might be because they get more sticky then the avon's when warmed up.  When driving at motorway speeds the toyo's seem to make less road noise than the avon's.Since I now switched the tyre profile back to 205/45 (from 205/40) I like these better. They seem to ride the bumps a lot better and just feels right. Havn't given them a go in the wet yet so can't comment on that side of things. Hopefully when I do drive in the rain they will be as good or better than the Avon's.  FYI - the Avons' managed about 15,000 miles before getting changed. This was with switching them around every 4000 miles or so. | ||
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Mini Turbo'd  Registered Member #140 Joined: Mon Mar 13 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Southampton Posts: 2483 | Good to hear there going well John. I would expect better ride from the higher profile and the Avons are belted stronger to get their high speed rating. Looks like Toyo's could be my next tyre then! MINI Project 370hp and counting... : MINIProject.co.uk | ||
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| Max |
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Founder Member Registered Member #23 Joined: Sun Jan 15 2006, 12:00AMLocation: On a Canal Somewhere Posts: 1060 | After a few months of driving on my Toyo T1 Rs I would rate them better that the GSD 3s in terms of both wear and performance in the wet However the GSD 3 is still a superb tyre - far superior than any runflat I know of  Ultimately it's down to personal preference but I'll be sticking (geddit?) to Toyos from now on Support Our Heros http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ http://www.presentsformen.co.uk/product-PFM-Help-for-Heroes-Mug-6461/ http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article492159.ece http://www.artfund.org/queenandcountry/index.php http://www.santalash.co.uk/charity.html | ||
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| Tracie |
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aka: Lola Registered Member #12 Joined: Sat Jan 14 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Poole, Dorset Posts: 872 | Is there any chance of the 1st post be updated so that it lists the Tyres and with a brief description of grip etc Image: http://
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| Founder Member Registered Member #23 Joined: Sun Jan 15 2006, 12:00AMLocation: On a Canal Somewhere Posts: 1060 | Have done Tracie Generally speaking the softer the rubber compound the better the grip in the dry. In the wet the tread pattern also makes a difference - e.g. how effective the tread pattern is at dispersing the water from under the tyre. However the down side to softer compound tyres is that they generally wear out more quickly than harder tyres. The trick is to find a compound and tread pattern that offers exceptional grip in the wet and dry that don't wear out too quickly. Thus a Pirelli Runflat (costs a lot) is made of quite a hard compound therefore lasts longer than say Toyo T1-R, but the grip is nowhere near the Toyo. For "normal" driving therefore normal runflats are OK but as soon as you want to drive a bit quicker through the twisties or go on the track you seek something a bit sticky Order of stickiness as far as I know is: Toyo 888 Track Tyre Toyo T1-R Track and fast road GSD-3s - Road Avons - Road the rest follow behind in terms of stickiness. If any of the above is not quite correct I would ask Dave or cooper-sport to correct me please Support Our Heros http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ http://www.presentsformen.co.uk/product-PFM-Help-for-Heroes-Mug-6461/ http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article492159.ece http://www.artfund.org/queenandcountry/index.php http://www.santalash.co.uk/charity.html | ||
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| Mini Turbo'd Registered Member #140 Joined: Mon Mar 13 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Southampton Posts: 2483 | Spot on so far as I know. Also a couple of extra points.... Softer is better but alot of these compounts overheat during heavy use in summer so the car feels like its got less grip but your just wandering around on a soft sticky surface. Wet weather driving is a very different story and as the expert say 3mm or less of tread and mild standing water is a serious danger to staying on the road and stopping distances as proven will be many times more than a tyre of decent tread. Also worth remember that the wider the tyre doesnt mean more grip in the wet unless you have the weight to provide enough pressure on the foot print to force the water out. A thinner tyre has a smaller foot print and more pressure is applied to the road for the point of contact. Someone stop me if i'm talking complete rubbish but thats how i've understood it and experienced the last one. p.s. if I remember correctly most road tyre contain sylica to help keep the tyre softer in cooler wear as rubber naturally gets harder as temps drip. MINI Project 370hp and counting... : MINIProject.co.uk | ||
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Mini'ing Around...  Registered Member #8 Joined: Sat Jan 14 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Southampton Posts: 213 | All sounds good to me... One thing I did notice when I went down to the South of France, the Toyos seem to love the heat! We had temperatures over 30 and the hotter it got the more grip I seemed to have. I've found them very good apart from really heavy rain with a lot of standing water - when any tyre would struggle. Image: http://www.scnm.net/ e107_plugins/ coppermine_menu/ albums/userpics/ NEILSIG4.jpg | ||
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| and my flaming MINI Registered Member #7 Joined: Mon Oct 03 2005, 11:00PMLocation: Bournemouth Posts: 814 | All of the above comments seem spot on to me. When I did a 3 hour motorway drive on the avons they did start to lose grip due to the hot temps. This was probably due to the pressure inside getting too high and less tyre was making contact. Found it was best to drop a few PSI during summer. | ||
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| dipstic |
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  Registered Member #77 Joined: Tue Feb 14 2006, 12:00AMPosts: 7 | Help. According to Max I always drive with my handbrake on so I suppose I need help anyway. To cut a long story short I had Toyo T1-S tyres fitted yesterday and they are **** Question Is it because they are not T1-R as most peeps on here rate them? Its like driving on jelly they are fine even better than my previous tyres untill you start getting a move on, turn in not so positive,seems more bodyroll when cornering (sidewall flexing) Or have I forgotten to put the handbrake on and are just going quicker? Running 34 psi all round (tried them with 31psi even worse) Or should I change rear roll bar to stiffer setting although Im not finding much difference with understeer/ oversteer comments peeps | ||
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the fluffier side of life  Registered Member #13 Joined: Sat Jan 14 2006, 12:00AMLocation: catching sun in the sky... Posts: 380 | hmmm tbh i don't know dipstic.. the S is still mean't to be a very good tyre as its the T1-rs daddy.... are you riding on a bigger tyre than before? And in france when neil said his tyre was skitish during the rain storm... he aqua planed once.... i aqua planed 7-8 times once across an entire lane... this just shows in perspective how aweful runflat Dunlops perform in comparison to the Toyo tyres, also i was sliding across corners even at low speeds they were just like riding on ice skates! So you can now enjoy the celebrated ale that still eludes the Ferrets of the Gribble Inn - Fursty Ferret | ||
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| Founder Member Registered Member #23 Joined: Sun Jan 15 2006, 12:00AMLocation: On a Canal Somewhere Posts: 1060 | Help. According to Max I always drive with my handbrake on so I suppose I need help anyway. To cut a long story short I had Toyo T1-S tyres fitted yesterday and they are **** Question Is it because they are not T1-R as most peeps on here rate them? Its like driving on jelly they are fine even better than my previous tyres untill you start getting a move on, turn in not so positive,seems more bodyroll when cornering (sidewall flexing) Or have I forgotten to put the handbrake on and are just going quicker? Running 34 psi all round (tried them with 31psi even worse) Or should I change rear roll bar to stiffer setting although Im not finding much difference with understeer/ oversteer comments peeps Sorry Mike I'm unable to shed any light on this as I don't have any info on the T1-S tyre. It might be worth giving Micheldever Tyres a call? They should know the answer 01962 774437 Max Support Our Heros http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ http://www.presentsformen.co.uk/product-PFM-Help-for-Heroes-Mug-6461/ http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article492159.ece http://www.artfund.org/queenandcountry/index.php http://www.santalash.co.uk/charity.html | ||
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| Registered Member #77 Joined: Tue Feb 14 2006, 12:00AMPosts: 7 | Just swopped my toyo's for Falken 452 car back to normal bit more road noise, def better turn in (worried a bit on the way home,it was a lot bumpier after leaving it for a while I checked tyre pressures 40psi,40psi,50psi,55
psi so I let them down and rang supplier to suggest he check his tyre gauge | ||
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| Max |
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| Founder Member Registered Member #23 Joined: Sun Jan 15 2006, 12:00AMLocation: On a Canal Somewhere Posts: 1060 | ...plus you do have to run the tyres in Mike - 200 to 300 miles recommended Support Our Heros http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ http://www.presentsformen.co.uk/product-PFM-Help-for-Heroes-Mug-6461/ http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article492159.ece http://www.artfund.org/queenandcountry/index.php http://www.santalash.co.uk/charity.html | ||
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| and my flaming MINI Registered Member #7 Joined: Mon Oct 03 2005, 11:00PMLocation: Bournemouth Posts: 814 | With the T1-R's I had to run them in before they were any good. When I first got them fitted they did feel very odd when cornering but once they had a few hundred miles on they transformed. They are now amazing on the corners but I still havn't driven in the wet yet. | ||
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| Mini Turbo'd Registered Member #140 Joined: Mon Mar 13 2006, 12:00AMLocation: Southampton Posts: 2483 | Go out for a drive tonight! Its wet and really slippery around here! MINI Project 370hp and counting... : MINIProject.co.uk | ||
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| Registered Member #75 Joined: Tue Feb 14 2006, 12:00AMPosts: 270 | hmmm because i only have 16's im considering toyos in a month or so when i have some cash as i dont much like my runflats | ||
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| dipstic |
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| Registered Member #77 Joined: Tue Feb 14 2006, 12:00AMPosts: 7 | I think T1-R will be ok as a lot of peeps use them on here.mine being T1-S which is the earlier version not so good (T1-R have different tread patten plus sidewall stiffners,my issue was not grip but jelly like steering and that was after doing over 150 miles on them) When I compared the Falkens to the T1-S before being fitted the Falken tyre was so much stiffer around the sidewall area Plus I had to make a decision do I keep the T1-S and hope they improve (they didnt have T1-R in stock otherwise I would have taken a chance on them) Anyway Falkens are on now so guess I will worry about it next time. | ||
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| Registered Member #75 Joined: Tue Feb 14 2006, 12:00AMPosts: 270 | yeah and i can get 4 tr-1s for 230 quid vat and shipped + fit but that wont be too bad or if could id have a set of yoko prada spec 2's | ||
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| BlackFerret |
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| the fluffier side of life Registered Member #13 Joined: Sat Jan 14 2006, 12:00AMLocation: catching sun in the sky... Posts: 380 | I think T1-R will be ok as a lot of peeps use them on here.mine being T1-S which is the earlier version not so good (T1-R have different tread patten plus sidewall stiffners,my issue was not grip but jelly like steering and that was after doing over 150 miles on them) When I compared the Falkens to the T1-S before being fitted the Falken tyre was so much stiffer around the sidewall area Plus I had to make a decision do I keep the T1-S and hope they improve (they didnt have T1-R in stock otherwise I would have taken a chance on them) Anyway Falkens are on now so guess I will worry about it next time. i spoke to the blokes that did your tyres this morning they reckon it was just that you managed to get a dodgy set of tyres which is like 1- 2000 which is your luck.... like your sway bar So you can now enjoy the celebrated ale that still eludes the Ferrets of the Gribble Inn - Fursty Ferret | ||
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| Founder Member Registered Member #23 Joined: Sun Jan 15 2006, 12:00AMLocation: On a Canal Somewhere Posts: 1060 | Oh dear  Sorry to hear this Mike m Support Our Heros http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ http://www.presentsformen.co.uk/product-PFM-Help-for-Heroes-Mug-6461/ http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article492159.ece http://www.artfund.org/queenandcountry/index.php http://www.santalash.co.uk/charity.html | ||
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